A security guard involved in the controversy with Chappell Roan is speaking out about his role in what happened at a São Paulo hotel earlier this week.
Roan has denied claims by Brazilian soccer star Jorginho Frello that a member of her security detail berated his wife, Irish singer Catherine Harding, and her daughter, Ava, 11, who Harding shares with Jude Law.
Frello, who is known as Jorginho, said a security guard had a “disproportionate” response to the girl walking by Roan’s table at the hotel.
Security guard Pascal Duvier says he finally had to speak up about what happened.
“I do not normally address online rumors, but the accusations currently circulating are false and constitute defamation,” he began an Instagram post on March 25.
Duvier did not shy away from accepting his involvement in the incident, while explaining that he was not associated with Roan.
“I take full responsibility for the interactions on March 21st. I was at the hotel on behalf of another individual, and I was not part of the personal security team of Chappell Roan,” he wrote.
“The actions I took were not on behalf of Chappell Roan, her personal security team, her management, or any other individuals. I made a judgment call based on information we obtained from the hotel, events I had witnessed in the days prior and the heightened overall security risk of our location. My sole interaction with the mother was calm and with good intentions, and the outcome of the encounter is regretful.”
TODAY.com has reached out to Duvier, Roan and Frello for comment.
Frello shared a long message on his Instagram story on March 21, which was then shared on X by Rio de Janeiro Mayor Eduardo Cavaliere, saying that Harding and Ava were coincidentally staying at the same hotel as Roan. He claimed that Ava thought she spotted the Grammy-winning singer while eating breakfast at the hotel, so she walked closer to see if it was her.
Frello said a security guard confronted Harding and her daughter and responded in a way that was “completely disproportionate,” telling Harding that Ava should not “disrespect” or “harass” people. Frello, who had also said Ava and his wife planned to see Roan in concert in São Paulo, said the incident left the girl in tears.
Roan had already said the security guard was not part of her team.
“I’m just going to tell my half of the story of what happened today with a mother and child who were involved with a security guard who is not my personal security,” she said in her own Instagram story in response to Frello’s comments. “I didn’t even see a woman and a child. No one came up to me. No one bothered me. I was just sitting at breakfast in my hotel.”
“I did not ask the security guard to go up and talk to this mother and child,” she continued. “They did not come up to me. They weren’t doing anything.”
Harding gave her side of the story in her own Instagram video on March 22.
“I know that Chappell has responded saying that it wasn’t her security, and she didn’t do it,” she said. “So, 100% this security guard was not a security guard of the hotel, that’s what I can say. He looks after artists. So I don’t know if it was her personal security guard, but he was with her, so that is all I know.”
Roan has addressed fan interaction before.
“I don’t agree with the notion that I owe a mutual exchange of energy, time, or attention to people I don’t know, do not trust, or who creep me out — just because they’re expressing admiration,” she wrote on Instagram in 2024 about being approached when she’s not working.
However, she did add that, “This has nothing to do with the gratitude and love I feel for my community, for the people who respect my boundaries and for the love I feel from every person who lifts me up and has stuck with me to help the project get to where it is now.”
She went on to say she is “specifically talking about predatory behavior (disguised as ‘superfan’ behavior) that has become normalized because of the way women who are well-known have been treated in the past.”
“Please do not assume you know a lot about someone’s life, personality, and boundaries because you are familiar with them and their work online,” she continued.
In her video reacting to Frello’s accusations, though, Roan did say she loves her fans and apologized for what happened.
“I do not hate people who are fans of my music,” she said. “I do not hate children. That is crazy. I’m sorry to the mother and child that someone was assuming something that you would do something, that if you felt uncomfortable, that makes me really sad. You did not deserve that.”
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